Thursday, February 26, 2009
Homework for Tuesday
2. Group A comment on one of the blog posts by 11:59 pm Friday night.
Free writing on what you learned from the Civil War poetry unit
Poetry
- poems have numerous layers of depth in them
- multiple meanings of poems
- double meanings
- I'm horrible at reading poetry but I have learned a "process." Read once (or twice) to gain the literal meaning and again for literary devices. Look for a metaphoric meaning. Words often have more than one meaning. Think about who the speaker is and who he is talking to. Remember, there can be more than one possible speaker. Are there allusions? What meaning might they add to the poem? Is the punctuation unusual? How does this affect reading?
- when reading poetry, don't take anything at first glance; have to look at literal and symbolic meanings
- everything needs a second glance
- significance of poetic form
- form has meaning too
- read MORE DEEPLY!!!
- historical and Biblical allusions
- in this unit I learned about how poets incorporate their perspectives into the issues of the times
Dickinson
- biographical facts about Dickinson (more than I'd expected) that help tie together loose things I've learned about her over the years. I think Dickinson could have been better about putting herself into society, but it's not my place to judge. Had she been a man she may have done things differently.
- Dickinson's poems were about the Civil War but she was not a direct spectator. I don't think Melville was either.
- random capitalization
- strong nature imagery and concentration on death
- I definitely enjoyed Dickinson's poetry; I feel like it captured the essence of poetry because every poem evoked some sort of mental image or feeling.
- twists and turns; secret meanings; no titles; focus on death--only the coffins; the still ends of battle
- Dickinson is focused on the silent bodies; the photography; still succumbing, overpowering, death
- Autumn --> fall or Civil War
- red wheel rolling in blood, may be Antietam collecting bodies
- Alabaster grave: tomb grave; irony: meek shall inherited the earth but engraved; interchangeable verses between volumes; later about the passing of time
- Dickinson's poems tend to seem very straight-forward when in actuality they can trick you
- Civil War - cause of mental disturbance for Dickinson
- Dickinson was a very intense person
- Dickinson's poems are so metaphorical that they can be taken even as a non-Civil War poem because the soldiers suffering share readers' humanity
- Dickinson wasn't totally crazy! Her poems had good meanings that pertain to everyone.
- Dickinson was so secluded but she wrote about topics that could relate to anyone. A lot of her poems are literally not about the Civil War, but she usues a lot of metaphors to talk about the Civil War and its bloody nature.
- I learned a large amount about how to interpret Emily Dickinson's poetry. Previously I viewed it as dry and boring; now I have learned that it is necessary to simply make random connections to words and phrases in her text.
- Dickinson's poetry was difficult to understand completely and I felt like I was missing her intended references to the Civil War.
Melville
- Melville must have been very articulate to be able to twist words so nicely
- I now think of Melville as clever, if I had to put him into one word. He clearly keeps his audience in mind and write two different things in one.
- Melville's poems confused me because I am not knowledgeable about the Civil War.
- more bold; Shenandoah!; titles; but the irony of battle; raucus beginning
- Melville focuses on explosive beginnings and ends of war. His words are resounding, drawing on these great mythical figures.
- shadow of body lies in Shenandoah
- the thought processes of the speaker in Melville's poems are similar to those of Delano: the tone changes, the attitude shifts
- Melville thought war to be "boyish"; soldiers naive/ignorant
- Melville tried to write from a holistic American perspective when writing about the Civil War, rather than limiting himself to a Northern or Southern perspective
- Melville's writings, with their abolitionist values, are valuable for getting across a Northern point of view.
- conflicting sentiments: debate of antislavery? in "Benito Cereno"; "Fall of Richmond" celebrating the end of the war/slavery
- Melville still confused about pro/anti-slavery
- Melville wrote his poetry to show how he was against the war and so most of his poems are ironic.
- Melville has a more sarcastic/ironic tone in some of his writings
- Melville's writing seems to criticize
Dickinson and Melville
- Melville's titles helped in how direct it was. Dickinson's title were edited in later.
- I didn't see as many similarities between Dickinson and Melville as I did with works in the sea narratives unit. The subject matter was similar, but Dickinson's poetry was left up for interpretation. Melville's poems we read were all obviously about the Civil War.
- Dickinson's poems were more open to interpretation. For example, "It was not death for I stood up" could mean a number of things. You can say it was a Civil War death but it could be a close family death. Melville is more direct (for the poems we've read); it's easy to tell which battle/Civil War event he is referring to
- both made riddles in their poetry, but with Melville it is more clear who he was talking about--the clearly listed names. Dickinson spoke in more general terms about the soldiers dying and the difficulty of war. It seems as if Melville was more political and Dickinson had more of a general statement
- I appreciated Melville's poetry more than Dickinson's because it was straight-forward in addressing the Civil War as its topic.
- Melville looks at more specific scenes while Dickinson looks at the war as a whole
- I think it is fascinating to contrast Dickinson and Melville, especially since she stayed in her house all day and he sailed all over the world. I wonder if that contrast says something about how they wrote.
- both were from the North (2x)
- Dickinson and Melville were both just observers of war, yet Melville gives more opinion on it
- both had to base their knowledge on information presented through news and images
- as spectators they still got facts and such right
- Dickinson and Melville both tried to convey the complexities and tragedies of the Civil War
- Dickinson was able to incorporate her perspective on the issues of the times more effectively than Melville since she seems to also connect the themes of her poems to timeless archetypal themes, while Melville's poems seem much more grounded in his era.
- a sense of irony (2x)
- Dickinson made statements on the universal themes of death; Melville was more specific, yet packed lots of meaning and irony to still make some point.
- Melville and Dickinson understood, even in their poems at the beginning of the war, how serious the Civil War was bound to become
- these poems weren't necessarily written to make readers feel a certain way about the war, but rather to explain Melville's and Dickinson's personal feelings
- I feel like between the two I prefer Dickinson over Melville. She seems to do better justice to the deep emotional pain associated with war time. Melville seemed to put the war time reports to a poetic meter and then sprinkle in classical allusions. But that may be a "gender-biased" interpretation of their work
- both tie Civil War into poetry; Melville's poetry is more ironic, Dickinson's is more relatable
- Dickinson and Melville were very moved by the Civil War---much more than I had previously thought.
Civil War
- I learned a lot about the Civil War, both the facts of it and how people living at that time felt about it. In high school we spent one brief unit on the Civil War in American history in 10th grade and almost never brought it up again. I never before got to read about the thoughts and opinions of people who lived it, which I find very interesting. My perception of the thoughts of the North from the little I learned was more of a "we're right, you're wrong" mentality, and I liked reading Dickinson's struggles with it. Furthermore, I find it fascinating how differently things are taught in diferent regions of the country. For example, in AP US Govt and Politics, my class was told that only powerless people go to war.
- execution of John Brown Oct. 2
- I did learn a great deal regarding the literal sense of the Civil War: John Brown, Antietam, McClellan, Manassas, and so forth. It is very important to understand the historical context of the poems in order to fully appreciate the poetry.
- Civil War battles are named differently by the North and the South
- connection between a cycle of nature and war/ death and life
- Civil War sparked questions of religion; moral issue with widespread death
- Antietam = bloodiest
- Death Death Death --> good summary of the Civil War
- death and dying associated with the war is evident in both sets of poems; both authors seem to grasp the negative outcomes that will have resulted from the war
- How does America deal with death? They're separated from direct action and they have a way of drawing conclusions from a broader perspective.
- McClellan a hero; Grant likened to God; generals elevated to god-like status
- metaphors and allusions used to create the sense that war is a repeating tragedy (almost like it is timeless)
- the Civil War had a deep impact on all Americans; tone of death, loss, destruction
- someone not directly effected can have a strong opinion about war as well
- history has a great effect on writers
- naivete of young soldiers in the beginning of war...leading to depressing loss/struggle
- overall struggle/debate of knowing what is right or how to feel about the war
- what do writers do when they are faced with a war? They can explain things in a way that runs deeper than North or South...hit on the humanity involved in the wars.
- people aren't satisfied by the war --> focused on battles, results of the war, rather than causes, like why we went to war in the first place
- many cryptic messages related to the Civil War
- allusions to Civil War in poetry aren't always obvious
- knowing background of Civil War helps to be able to understand poetry
- knowing who John Brown was made the poem "The Portent" [better...? the last word was cut off, so I'm guessing that's what you wanted to say]
- I learned a lot about the Civil War that I never knew before, and I found it interesting that the different regions can have such a huge impact on one's outlook.
- Civil War discussed more in southern schools
Slavery
- one can read a message about slavery in ANYTHING! (it's amazing)
- less about slavery and more about deaths of soldiers
- these works, and "Benito Cereno," showed how some authors of the time approached the image of the US and part of its history with slavery, human rights. Like the first unit, those authors were able to comment on the behavior of people in the US and whether or not their actions were appropriate (Civil War and continuation of slavery for so long)
And one late-breaking thought on the sea narratives unit:
The problem of a narrator strikes me: first we had Pym who was cocky and prone to exaggeration; in"The Heroic Slave," Mr. Listwell waxes terribly sentimental while the protagonist himself is just too good to be true; in "Benito Cereno," we experience limited 3rd at the hands of the terribly naive also sentimental Delano. Further, out of the 3 books, we only really want to root for Madison: I just can't support anyone else.
Prefer Dickinson's poetry to Melville's
To my classmates
THANK YOU for clearing the name of Emily Dickinson.
I had been growing increasingly frustrated as I heard multiple and varying conjectures about Emily's character and stability - based on our cumulative hearsay and what we could gather from the poems. I don't know that Ms Dickinson was not in love with her publisher, or her sister-in-law, or that she was not mentally ill, as many of us would like to suggest, but I am again comfortable in our knowing that this determination is not our place to make. Like an entire generation of people reading her poetry, our perception of Emily Dickinson is tempered with the manipulation of her audience that struggles to label and sort the poor woman so that her distinctiveness was something we could understand. If her poems did not fit into the transcendentalist format such as the environment of her time dictated, it's alright, it can be edited and titled - arguably, the same content, but a completely different flavor. If our brains can't wrap around the idea that some people are maybe in love with no one at all, maybe it is easier just to decide that something scandalous simmers below the surface, like lesbianism or insanity.
We too often take for granted the condition that the works we read in class were published in. It should have made plenty of sense that Arthur Gordon Pym was terribly organized, because Edgar Allan Poe was uncomfortable with the format and because he was terribly concerned with its literary quality, only with the story's marketability. There is a marked contrast between "Benito Cereno" and Herman Melville's selected battle pieces. BC is the interpretation of a true story by a talented individual - it's good because Melville is good at what he does, good enough to make money at it. It may be surprisingly to read the poems and find hey - these are really good - because this is the style and these are the pieces that Melville really cares about. Herman Melville struggled and failed to make a living as a poet, but ultimately considers himself this above all else.
It is very unfair of us to project meaning on published works of the long past, and we are increasingly aware of its inaccuracy. As her fascicles gain common ground, so does a more fair perception of Emily Dickinson. I urge my classmates to let Emily's supposed personal life Lie in Her Alabaster Chamber and to concentrate more on the life that she and our other authors wished to project.
Subject to change thoughts on Melville
Anyway, I started to think about why Melville might write poems like this and my mind shifted back to "Benito Cereno" and all the discussion we had on Melville's stance on slavery. In his novel, Melville would always leave us guessing and present an idea with so many sides to it that it was difficult to separate his own feelings from the narrators and other characters. I thought he did this because he didn't really want people to know his opinion and I think that even more after reading his poetry. Perhaps his poems are tellings us stories so directly because that's really all that he wants to offer us. Maybe his poems are so straightforward because he doesn't want us to know how he feels about slavery or the war.
Those are just random guesses at what I got from reading Melville. I'm hoping that we can do as we did in "Benito Cereno" and try to figure out his opinions and feelings. It might help me tie Melville together better as an author because he still has me guessing.
Dickinson
After reading them several times, I liked them more and more. I still don't think I'll fully understand all that she put into the poem, but I can appreciate them for what I can understand. I especially like One Need Not Be a Chamber...
I feel like it was true what Nyssa pointed out in class that we quickly assign mental illness to poets when their material is dark or when their material is vague. I do believe Dickinson probably did have some depression issues...but I think that she was just completely vulnerable when she wrote...especially since most of her poems were written in letters for people and weren't necessarily intended for the world to see.
I like the third stanza when she talks about being afraid of confronting yourself alone. I think a lot of people have a fear of being completely and entirely alone, with nothing and no one around. But it's ironic because Dickinson chose this a solitude lifestyle for herself. Perhaps this lifestyle is what enable her to process and come up with this ideas in this poem. Maybe being alone showed her how it can be a scary thing to confront yourself, and maybe she was able to conquer that and become comfortably with herself so that she could write about it.
Wednesday, February 25, 2009
Melville and Dickinson
Melville’s poem “The Portent” gives details of the hanging of John Brown for his participation in “John Brown’s raid on Harper’s Ferry.” The initial image focuses on the dead body hanging from a tree branch and the deformation that was done to it. The slow rhythm of the poem mirrors the swinging motion of Brown’s body. The progression into the second stanza takes a more macroscopic view as it hints to the uncertain future, mostly the future of the United States at this point in the war. Even the “shadow” in the first stanza could symbolically represent the darkness that is coming over the United States during this period. Melville is able to strategically combine strong images as well as historical references to give a warning to his readers and the country
what?
"Retreat was out of hope, --
Behind, a sealed route,
Eternity's white flag before,
And God at every gate."
So they didn't go through the "forest of the dead"... they retreated, out of hope, but behind them was sealed. They couldn't go back, so they were faced to look forward at eternity's white flag of surrender. And God was at "every" gate. Part of me imagines some journey with multiple choices, but typically there's only one gate. What is the fork? Are there multiple choices once they get to the end where they're surrendering? I just can't seem to figure out what she's saying about death. Is she reaching an end, or does she have to pass through this forest to get to eternity on the other side-- an eternity that has multiple cities with multiple gates, all of which guarded by God.
I just don't know. But I sorta like not knowing with Dickinson!
Rhymes
Melville shows the horror of war by contrasting it with the playfulness of rhyme but also the rhyme seems to represent the positive attitude, and the naivety of the soldiers before going into war. He says in “The march into Virginia. Ending in the First Manassas” : “Expectancy, and glad surmise/ Of battles unknown mysteries. / All they feel is this: ‘tis glory,/ A rapture sharp but transitory” the rhyme seems to indicate the upbeat nature of the new soldiers, of the patriotism behind the war. However then by saying that this rapture is transitory, Melville uses the rhyme to point out that these positive feelings will be destroyed by the true horrors of war.
Recluse? Nah, man!
Melville by a Classics major
An even more unusual reference to antiquity may be considered a stretch by some. In describing John Brown, Melville chose to title his poem “The Portent,” and end by describing Brown as a meteor. This is a particularly interesting combination, as Shakespeare described a rather famous “portentous meteor” in his history play Julius Caesar. If a coincidence, it is an odd coincidence. If intentional, it is genius on Melville’s part. Although John Brown and Julius Caesar don’t have much in common historically, both died noble deaths that served as catalysts for chaos.
A city in flags for a city in flames :)
The comparison to Babylon is a little odd to me, because I don’t remember hearing that Babylon was burned when Persia took over. This may be a bit of a stretch, but, maybe, the speaker is comparing Babylon to Richmond because both represented powerful “empires” and, in both cases , the city’s fall caused slaves to be set free—the Jewish captives were set free from Babylon and the African slaves were set free in the South.
And then lastly, “Sing and pray” prompts images of a person dancing and singing out of joy that the war is over.
The Fall in Richmond...
A new appreciation for Dickinson
I also really liked connecting the Civil War into every poem of Dickinson’s that we read. Our group concentrated on “It was not death for I stood up,” and were able to find several civil war allusions within the poem. The way in which we went about analyzing the poems was like solving a riddle. Though the meaning is not always clear cut, one has to delve into the work to figure it out. Surprisingly enough, all the poems had meanings and references to what we as people deal with everyday. Although Emily Dickinson may have been reclusive, she was not insane and she delivers powerful meanings in her poetry.
Melville and Dickinson
The most obvious difference is that Melville actually names Antietam as his topic when one can only speculate that Dickinson was speaking of the single bloodiest day in American history. Also, Dickinson’s entire poem is a metaphor for the battle while Melville’s is more literal. Dickinson’s metaphorical poem is more gentle on a reader and does not force them to think specifically of war as Melville’s does. As, Melville’s poem seems to be a direct address to General McClellan while Dickinson is speaking to a much broader audience (pretty much anyone.)
Oh, and I also thought it was interesting that Melville stated “The one-armed lift the wine to you” since Stonewall Jackson lost an arm before he died.
Tuesday, February 24, 2009
Homework for Thursday
2) Group B post on Dickinson's or Melville's poems by 9am Thursday.
3) Optional extra blog post on Henry Adams is due 3/17. This can be a make-up post if you've missed one, or if you've kept up with the posts you can do an extra one now so that you can miss one later in the semester.
Thursday, February 19, 2009
Homework for Tuesday
2. Group B comment on blog posts by 11:59pm Friday night
3. Focus on one poem to teach to your classmates on Tuesday (group assignments below). Each group will have 10 minutes to present their poem (or part of a poem): 5 min. to walk the class through a literal reading of the poem, like we did with "The name -- of it -- is 'Autumn,'" and 5 min. to lead a discussion of the poem. I'll give you 10 minutes at the beginning of class on Tuesday to organize your presentations. As a group, you should come up with 2 discussion questions about your poem.
"It was not Death, for I stood up" (22) Stanzas 1-3
Isaac , Paige, Carly, Mattie, Ashlee
"It was not Death, for I stood up" (22) Stanzas 4-6
Ariel , Sarah, Julia, Emma T., Emily
"I like to see it lap the Miles" (27) All
Megan, Mark, Katherine, Adam, Alexis R.
"Our journey had advanced" (29) All
Martha Lee, Alexis G., Rebekah, Elizabeth, Linnie
"One need not be a Chamber to be Haunted" (32) Stanzas 1-3
Leah, Jeff, Austin, Emma R., Porshia
"One need not be a Chamber to be Haunted" (32) Stanzas 4-5
Nyssa, Lauren, Otha, Jaclyn
Walking with Emily
Her style is so distinct. I love to watch her use dashes and compact almost incomprehensible depth into just a few words. Some of the poems flow and have compact rhyme (perhaps the result of the editing we saw in class on Tuesday, maybe); others are sporadic and you wonder if she actually thought that "things" and "obtain" really rhymed. Also, I'd love to know if Dickinson meant to cause a pause every time she used a dash. How would she have read her poems? Were they passionate or tranquil?
There's something really special about the cadence of Emily Dickinson's rhyme schemes. I've always really liked her poetry and recently, while I'm walking up from South Campus, I repeat her poems to myself. Sure, it makes me look like a loon but it eases the pain of 8 am classes.
"They dropped like flakes (step) they dropped like stars (step) like petals from a rose (step, step)..."
I'd like to thank dictionary.com for always being there for me...
I also really enjoyed the poem "The name - of it- is 'Autumn'-" I thought that was really perfect. Ok. I basically felt that way about them all. But, I think this one really does is well-done because, although it is graphic ("And Oh, the Shower of Stain - When Winds - upset the Basin - And spill the Scarlet Rain-" for instance. Picture that.) it still manages to be quite lovely because of her word choice, I think. I dunno. It just seems like even though she is comparing autumn to a bleeding thing, she keeps it eloquent with words like "Shower" and "sprinkles" and "bonnets" and "Rose". Maybe that's easy to do but I just think it shows how much time she did spend on it.
In the past, I was really not a fan of poetry... like at all. But, in my junior year (I think) I started to get into it and it was an Emily Dickinson poem we read. So that's cute. But, the point of that is, I think that Emily Dickinson really captures poetry in what it should be: Beautiful and expressive... and that turned me on to the rest of it!
Death is only the beginning!!!!!
The imagery that she uses in her poems makes you picture things in a totally different way. In “Safe in their alabaster chambers” she writes in the third stanza, “Grand go the years in the crescent above them.” I can just picture time passing by slowly as day turns to night and night to day. It is horrible to think about. In “The Battlefield” poem she says “They dropped like flakes, they dropped like stars, like petals from a rose.” You can just see men dying left and right just as quickly as a flower loses its petals. You think about this and realized that this happened in this country and she had first hand accounts living during this time. It is heartbreaking to think about, but intriguing to see it from her eyes.
Death is only the beginning!!!!!
The imagery that she uses in her poems makes you picture things in a totally different way. In “Safe in their alabaster chambers” she writes in the third stanza, “Grand go the years in the crescent above them.” I can just picture time passing by slowly as day turns to night and night to day. It is horrible to think about. In “The Battlefield” poem she says “They dropped like flakes, they dropped like stars, like petals from a rose.” You can just see men dying left and right just as quickly as a flower loses its petals. You think about this and realized that this happened in this country and she had first hand accounts living during this time. It is heartbreaking to think about, but intriguing to see it from her eyes.
Wednesday, February 18, 2009
Short & Dense. Dense & Depressed. read me
Also, I did really appreciate learning that all poets aren't Super Heroes, creating ingenious works with every stroke of their pen, but that they too go through vigorous correspondence with editors. Makes me feel human. So thanks for that, Sue.
Pay No Attention to the Woman Behind the Curtain
Another thing I wanted to comment on was Dickinson's correspondence with Sue about her poem "In their Alabaster Chambers." I think it's very interesting what a profound change I have in my view of Dickinson by seeing the dialogue that took place between her and Sue. In some ways, I feel that I look at her less as this highly skilled yet depressed, brooding poet and more as a regular person with exceptional talent. I was also wondering whether it is positive thing that we, as the reader, are able to see some of the processes behind Dickinson's writing. Is it a good thing to see the method behind the madness? Does it detract from a very unique and rare product when you see how it's made? It's like watching how the special effects of a movie are done, and does it add or detract from the film? Does Dickinson's dialogue between herself and Sue add or detract from her work?
ah, She is very intriguing..
referring to burial sites. My initial reaction was that everything seems happy but
something bad has occurred, making the surrounding feeling ironic to the event that had
occurred. After rereading the poem and looking up alabaster, I was struck by the
representation of time and death in this poem. I felt Dickinson was saying that death is
insignificant in the long run. After looking her up online, I found that the strict
Puritan belief that only a select few die and go to heaven led her to ponder the true
meaning of death. While I have read Dickinson's poems before and fond them to be morbid,
I was pleasantly surprised that this one seemed simply reflective. I also appreciated
how the poem is jam packed full of visual imagery and personification. My favorite line
of the poem demonstrates this: "Light laughs the breeze in her castle of sunshine".
Out of the assigned readings for Thursday, the Autumn poem had the greatest visual effect on me. I felt that this poem had horrific visual imagery, but was ironic at the end because she mentioned a beautiful rose and a bonnet. The contrasting images of bloodshed and pretty items made me think of how people not directly in the war were still affected by it. In a poem about a country filled with bloodshed, she used parts of the body (parts of the heart too) to describe the flow of the blood. Here I thought Dickinson could also be referring to bodies lying around.
While "They Dropped like Flakes" was a less harsh poem about the Civil War, the stark irony of using images usually associated with positive connotations caught my attention again. This time, she uses a rose, snow flakes, and stars. I don't know if this is reading too far into it but I pictured stars on a soldier's uniform and the bright red obviously made me think of blood. I haven't read a ton of Dickinson's poems, and so I'd be interested in finding out whether she uses pretty images to show contrast on a continual basis in her poems.
On another note, her use of capitalization makes nouns important...I wonder why she liked to capitalize these on top of proper nouns? Was this a style of the time, or was it only her style?
six feet under
The second stanza basically just reiterates that nature is continuous and is not really affected by death. I think it serves as an interesting juxtaposition to the other two stanzas though. The first stanza gave me a cold and numb feeling, whereas the second stanza is full of light and spirited imagery. Just thinking about an image of a "castle of sunshine" makes me feel warm and tingly, not in the least concerned with death, which I think was Dickinson's goal. The third stanza returns to bleak representations of a world separate from those entombed in "alabaster chambers." I believe Dickinson uses "diadem" as a term for a crown, which can be interpreted as the fall of kingdom/monarchy, perhaps? Obviously, she also knew her Italian history-- I did not know what a "Doge" was, but thankfully Wikipedia did-- and she uses the surrender of Doges to represent another change in political power. These allusions are just pointing out the surrounding world persists and never ceases because death is inevitable and immutable. Finally, I read "soundless as dots on a disk of snow" as a metaphor for how relatively unimportant a single life or death is in the grand scheme of things. A dot on a disk of snow is a minute detail as one death is in the whole world.
I initially didn't like Dickinson, my mind is starting to change.
At first, when I saw we were going to read Dickinson, I remembered how sad her life was and how much I disliked her writing style. While I don't remember what I read by her in high school, I will say now that after reading these four poems, I actually enjoy her. I find it compelling to read her poems which are quite creative in describing events. And I think the reason why I felt as if she led a sad and lonely life was because she was writing so much about the Civil War and death. So, getting that out of the way, my favorite of the three poems we read for Thursday has to be “They dropped like flakes”.
Of all the ways to describe death, the image of soldiers dropping quickly like snowfall or as miserably as petals from a rose is inspiring to say the least. What makes this poem more forceful is its brevity. Within two stanzas I knew exactly what she felt and exactly what she was imagining; an empty field full of grass and dead bodies, brothers and cousins on opposites sides of a gruesome war. One of my favorite lines probably was “But God on his repealless list/Can summon every face.” This statement further implies that all of those soldiers, who were dying so quickly, in the bloodiest war up until that time, could not have been identified due to the multitude and magnitude of death in a single area. Rarely any other war had such destruction and death as the Civil War of which Dickinson was writing about.
Most likely, people she knew were involved in the war and the death and disappearance of people around her also inspired her to write this and other such war poems. Most of Dickinson’s poems are very short and I was surprised and unimpressed by “It feels a shame to be alive”. This is the type of poem I was hoping not to read. How sad and depressed one must feel to say she is “ashamed” to be alive. The other issue I had with it was the fact that it was so long; quite unlike the majority of her work. She is such a good, brief, direct poet; I found it odd that this poem had five stanzas. I was not only confused by the length, but also by the dashes and capitalization. The only present feelings of Dickinson I could infer was the fact that the soldiers were saviors, which again goes back to how I said before that immortality doesn’t seem to be a common theme of hers.
In most of her poems, the topic revolves around mortality; we all die, and the soldiers do so in such a horrific way. If anyone was to make the case for immortality as a theme, it would be the idea that soldiers in general were our saviors and thus immortal in a larger sense, but as she stated in “They dropped like flies”, only God remembers their faces.
Interpretations
The 'Autumn' poem is particularly tough. Dickinson describes a scene that takes place after 'winds - upset the Basin - And spill the scarlet rain'. The scarlet rain, taken to be blood, is the main imagery in the poem. The blood flows everywhere, and is seemingly all encompassing until it flows away 'upon Vermilion Wheels'. I took Dickinson's 'winds' to be representative of the passions and conflicts of of men, in this case, the civil war. By stating that is is the winds that 'upset the basin' and bring the blood, Dickinson using natural imagery implies that this is a conflict that was inevitable. The later description of how the blood leaves so unceremoniously seems to indicate that to little attention is being paid to the actual lives that are being lost.
Poem 444 also seems to focus on the civil war and the price of human life. Dickinson uses imagery here to portray that we as a country are selling our soldiers lives for liberty. She accomplishes this through her repeated use of money imagery. She then tries to reconcile if the price we are paying is worth the cost.
Homework for Thursday
2. Read the two poems posted on Blackboard: "The name of it is 'Autumn'" and "It feels a shame to be Alive"
3. Group A post on Dickinson (any of the poems we've read) by 9am Thursday
Tuesday, February 17, 2009
Safe
The second stanza seems to go along more with the theme of death rather than religion. The "castle of sunshine" is heaven. In heaven, all is light and pleasant. However, the birds, which seem to represent a choir in church, sing an ignorant cadence, perhaps a hymn, results in "sagacity," or wise-ness to be lost. What this might mean is that people sing about heaven as a light and wonderful thing, but they are singing in ignorance and without wisdom. She seems to challenge the Christian belief of an afterlife.
The third stanza seems to go back to fit my interpretation of either death or religious peoples. If it discusses death, it's saying that the world continues above those who are deceased, emperors come and go unknown to those at eternal rest. Also, she could be saying that those who are religious are oblivious to the political or social events of the world around them, these events are "soundless as dots on a disk of snow" and have no impact.
My interpretation could be completely off, but that is what I gained from this poem. I'd really like to hear any feedback about my thoughts!
I thought that the poems that were posted online, “It feels a shame to be alive” and “The name—of it—is ‘Autumn’”, were a little difficult to read at first because of all of the dashes Emily Dickinson includes. I found that the dashes caused me to read them with awkward pauses that inhibited any flow. Nonetheless, I like that they are included because it is closer to how Dickinson herself wrote them. I thought seeing the facsimiles online mad her poems come alive when they were seen in their original form.
I also really enjoyed reading “They dropped like flakes” probably because of the rhyming that I have always found appealing in poetry. Furthermore it comes across as far less gruesome than “The name—of it—is ‘Autumn’”, which has a lot of blood imagery and metaphors in it. Although it is clearly about death, this poem read a lot lighter to me than “It feels a shame to be alive”, which, partially due to it being twice as long, goes more in depth about the price of war. The lines, “In Pawn for Liberty” and “That lives—like Dollars—must be piled before we may obtain?” particularly stood out to me. The notion that soldiers can be used as mere pawns, nearly inconsequential in a larger game bothers me. Furthermore, the latter line brings up the question of whether or not the cost in lives is worth the outcome of war, which I think should be considered a lot more before starting any war. When lives are concerned I believe that very few ends can justify people as means.
More details on Gertrude Stein Event
Upon vermilion wheels
I was looking around on a few websites and found this one: http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/emily_dickinson_journal/v016/16.1barrett.html
which discusses Dickinson's connection to the Civil War. I definitely cannot claim this idea as my own, but I found it interesting that the article mentioned her use of the word Autumn may have been a direct reference to the battle of Antietam. This seems somewhat likely, but it still leaves me wondering why she would replace it with the word Autumn if she intended the poem to be about a particular battle. Perhaps she wanted to emphasize the seasons and how the war spans across them all. Either way, Dickinson obviously felt very strongly about the Civil War and I think her views are evident in "The name of it is Autumn."
Notes on Dickinson's publication history
Emily Dickinson: Dec. 10, 1830 to May 15, 1886
1775 poems altogether
Fascicles contained about 800 poems
10 poems and 1 short prose piece published in her lifetime; 7 poems in the Springfield Republican (including “Safe in their Alabaster Chambers”)
Thomas Wentworth Higginson: author and abolitionist. “Letter to a Young Contributor” in the Atlantic Monthly
Dickinson sent “Safe in their Alabaster Chambers” and 3 other poems along with a letter asking him “Are you too deeply occupied to say if my Verse is alive?”
Susan Dickinson: married Austin Dickinson, Emily and Lavinia’s older brother; lived next door to the Dickinson sisters, was a close friend of Emily’s. Susan read and responded to Dickinson’s poems.
Mabel Loomis Todd: ongoing affair with Austin Dickinson. Enlisted TW Higginson to help edit and publish Dickinson’s poems posthumously.
Todd & Higginson, eds.: Poems by Emily Dickinson (1890); Poems, Second Series (1891).
Todd, ed.: Poems, Third Series (1896).
Martha Dickinson Bianchi: Susan Dickinson’s daughter, Emily Dickinson’s niece.
Bianchi, ed.: The Single Hound: Poems of a Lifetime (1914); Further Poems of Emily Dickinson, Withheld from Publication by Her Sister Lavinia (1929).
Millicent Todd Bingham: Mabel Loomis Todd’s daughter.
Bingham, ed.: Bolts of Melody: New Poems of Emily Dickinson (1945).
Thomas H. Johnson, ed.: Poems of Emily Dickinson (1955).
R.W. Franklin, ed.: The Manuscript Books of Emily Dickinson (1981).
Friday, February 13, 2009
Thursday, February 12, 2009
Homework for Tuesday
- Read “Safe in their alabaster chambers" 3 times: meaning, figurative language, form.
- Bring laptops!
- Paper 1 due 2/24. I’ll have extra office hours next week and I’ll bring a sign up sheet on Tues. Come talk to me about your papers.
- Group A comment on a "Benito Cereno" post by 11:59pm Friday night.
2nd Time Reading
Melville gave us everything we need... in code.
The plot is saturated with double edged words, but also with very specific symbols. Had I known for the entire plot that jumping into Delano’s ship would have meant the San Dominick’s redemption, I might have thought a little more of the narrative of Delano’s connection with his own ship. It is easy to disregard text in this book as trivial, but (unlike Arthur Gordon Pym,) Herman Melville uses nothing in his novella without a purpose. On pages 77-79, Delano worries excessively about keeping his boat in sight. When it is present, he experiences a rationalizing sort of calm that gives him strength to at least watch the charade unfold. When his boat disappears from view behind the cliff, Delano experiences panic that ultimately leads him to get the heck out of there, and take Don Benito with him.
It may take a third reading to codify the patterns Herman Melville used to hint at the plot. I wish I had just figured it out the first time!
Final Thoughts
While I felt some parts of sympathy in the end for Cereno, I was still left with the feeling that he wasn’t completely trustworthy, as were none of the characters. Each of the characters was presented as being so multidimensional that it was hard to just apply one specific idea or characterization. For me, Cereno started out evoking sympathy during the second reading because it seemed as if he truly feared Babo and some of the others. End the end, I was more or less distrustful of his disposition and the way in which he wanted to present himself in the best light possible.
symbolism
Certainly there are other things to notice, such as the what I can now see as obvious hints at what was actually going on, as well as nuances in characters that were lost the first time around. I just happened to pick up on the sea references, and I feel like it helped to support Melville's story at least a little bit. Now whether the surroundings were affecting the action or if it was the other way around, I'm not sure. I don't know if they are even a cause-and-effect relationship. I just like that there is more than meets the eye with this book.
Wednesday, February 11, 2009
Not without little opacity.....?
One example of this is the concept of the slaves' morals and possible heroism. Throughout the book he compares the slaves to religious figures. This is seen on page 53, when the emerging ship is compared to "a white-washed monastery after a thunder storm", "a ship-load of monks", having "dark moving figures were dimly descried, as of Black Friers pacing the cloisters". Is Melville saying that the passengers of the ship are holy and righteous? Or is he comparing them to dark, secretive Spanish Catholics?
Also not black and white was the use of litotes. For example the word doubtless is assumed to mean true, but it can also literally mean "without doubt" but not necessarily fact. The first use of the word is on page 59: "The best account would doubtless be given by the captain". Then it is used later when Delano tells Cereno that he should keep his crew under control, and Cereno in reply states, "Doubtless, Doubtless, Senor." This is very vague. Is Cereno being sarcastic or is he being depressingly impassive? I just wish the narrator would state his purpose.
Nervous Nelly
For example on page 63, Benito and Babo have just returned back to Delano and immediately he feels “an apprehensive twitch.” Then again on 68, as Benito and Delano are speaking, Benito moves away from Delano for a second, just glancing away and Delano, who had been working himself into a frenzy of worries, suddenly finds that his fears have disappeared “in one throng, like a hoar frost.”
Another incident on page 70, just after Don Benito has questioned Delano about the men on his ship, shows that Delano becomes nervous and worried with “ some ugly misgivings” in the presence of Cereno and Babo, but once they moves away from Delano he begins to “laugh at his former forebodings; and laugh at the strange ship” (Melville, 71). There are multiple other incidents also where Delano flips from being nervous with, and just after he is with, Cereno to being his trustful, goodhearted self. I just found it interesting, especially due to our “Is Babo Evil” debate, that Delano always feels nervous around Benito (who is always accompanied by Babo) – raising the question of who is causing the uneasy feelings? Are they both evil? Is it their tension that is being picked up on? Or is it just a device by Melville to create apprehension in the reader. I suppose I just want to know what people think versus drawing conclusions. However, I feel that through these nervous feelings of Delano, we as the reader are sharply aware of the anxiety present in Benito and Babo’s relationship.
Cereno: both good and evil
Tuesday, February 10, 2009
Cereno as a complex character
Second read, different portrayal
Since my group is debating that Babo was portrayed as an evil character, I noticed examples that made this portrayal true. Babo’s evilness becomes especially evident in the deposition, when the scheme is revealed. On numerous occasions, Babo threatened the Spaniards with weapons and death. Though Babo did not directly commit any of the murders of the Spanish, he ordered all of them to take place. In comparison to Madison Washington, Babo’s motives seem to be out of pure hate, while Washington’s were to benefit all the slaves and inflict as little harm as possible to the white men. The deposition also notes that Babo “was the plotter from first to last; he ordered every murder, and was the helm and keel of the revolt.” Told by Benito Cereno, the deposition allows the readers to understand how Babo acted and why he was portrayed as an evil character.
Homework for Thursday
- Finish rereading “BC”
- Prepare for the debates
- Group B post on “BC” by 9am Thursday
Friday, February 6, 2009
Babo the Slave and Leader Simultaneously
Thursday, February 5, 2009
Bravo "Benito Cereno"
One thing that I was thinking about during our discussion in class on Tuesday was how the slaves were depicted as the villains. It's only reasonable that the slaves would try to revolt. I think it would be interesting if the story was rewritten from the perspectives of the slaves. Let's say the narrator told the story from Babo's point of view, and only Babo and the other slaves thoughts were included in the dialogue. How easy would it be then to see Babo in a good light and the oppressive, enslaving Cereno in a good light? Would Delano be seen as a villain since he poses a threat to their noble plan rather than the innocent hero? It reminds me of watching old westerns when I was a kid. In one movie the Native Americans were seen as butchering savages, while in another they were noble people simply defending their land. I remember being confused about who to "root" for because I had seen movies from each perspective, and I knew that the white cowboys were in the wrong, even when threatening music would come on at the sight of a Native American. If we were to view Benito Cereno from a completely neutral point of view, with every character's intentions and thoughts considered, who's side would we be on?
I agree, great book!
In regards to Leah’s post about Captain Delano, my opinion of him changed as I read. At first, I enjoyed his character and found him entertaining, like Leah did. However, in the second part of the story, I became frustrated with his naïve and ignorant behavior. It also bothered me that he was “placed upon a pedestal” as Alexis Rabin commented in class because he didn’t really deserve that title. After all, Delano just happened to stumble across the ship and would not have saved Cereno’s life had it not been for Cereno’s leap of faith.
Several people also posted on comparisons between “A Heroic Slave” and “Benito Cereno.” Elizabeth made a great point in class that Babo was a more real and believable character, while Madison Washington was the opposite. In reality, a slave would probably have acted much more like Babo than Washington. In that sense, I appreciate that aspect of “Benito Cereno” more than “A Heroic Slave.”
Melville's comments on slavery
Homework for Thursday:
1) Reread "BC" p. 52-82; read the introduction p. 14-19
2) Group B comment on one of the blog posts by 11:59pm Friday
3) (Optional) Read extract from Amasa Delano's Narrative, p. 113-139.
Cereno...
Also something that added to my enjoyment was the including of the actual depositions at the end. This added more of a realistic air to it, as it explained the true intents of all people on board, particularly Babo. One thing I find hard to believe is the Captain Delano was not more suspicious and did not decide to leave the ship at an earlier state.
All negative points aside, this reading was more enjoyable, although obviously much more dense and complicated to read, than Frederick Douglass’s tale and by far a better story than Poe’s.
Posting is Awesome
Looking back on the story, I realize that there were several points where there was significant foreshadowing to who were truly in control of the ship. The point where the slaves were looking at Captain Delano as so they wanted to murder him should have been a dead give away but I dismissed it as I continued reading. Another was the fact that Benito did not want to tell the story of how the ship got to St. Maria. It truly did not occur to me that the slaves were in control of the ship until Benito was thrown off.
This was a descent story that was cleverly crafted by Melville with great imagery and a great concept for presenting a story. I truly like the story and look forward to rereading it again.
Oh, there's an elephant in the room
As I glance back through my journal notes, here are some things I wrote about the evidence before Melville’s elephant attacked Delano’s men (read the title of this blog).. “I noted the razor comparison Captain Delano makes when he says that for a split second it looks like Babo is the executioner, and Cereno is the one on the block. Also, why did the sailor have an “inward chuckle” when Captain Delano asked him if he wanted to get to the harbor? The black men are looking at him, something’s fishy. Cereno can’t get off the ship, HELLO FISHY!!” While the detailed accounts of his suspicions at each moment were sometimes overbearing, I feel the intensity of the repetition added to the story for the most part. The reader knows something is not right, but is still left at the edge of his or her seat in anticipation of when everything will fall apart.
Whiskerandos on the High Seas
There are so many great recurring images that Melville uses to show Delano’s peril. I particularly liked the South American imagery, from the Lima intriguante to the moldy hammock in the ship’s state room. The international feeling (with features from Africa and continental Europe) gave the book a depth to it, perhaps because of Melville’s skill with language. Had Poe tried to do this I am convinced Pym would have become not only salt-addled but also obnoxiously cosmopolitan. Instead Melville does it with tact, even choosing to make up a few words of his own: did anyone catch ‘whiskerando’ somewhere in the 70s pages? Although I’m not an erudite Spanish student, I’m fairly sure that’s new to the Peruvian dialect.
I liked that about Melville. He took what could have been a yet another morbid briny claustrophobic experience and turned it into a riveting, goosebump-inducing, and aesthetically-pleasing work of literary art with just a few 'lies' as Colbert puts it.
Follow your leader
I think that this trickery of who is actually in charge was put in to create a story that was almost a riddle. There were several suspicious things that Melville included in the story that could have lead the reader to suspect that something fishy (no pun intended) was going on aboard the ship, but nothing too direct. For example, Babo always seemed to answer instead of Cereno, which was an indication that he might have not been in charge of the ship. Overall, I think that the illusions and switching of who was really in charge made for an interesting read and the “follow your leader” motif made continuity.
Wednesday, February 4, 2009
Great Book!
For the most part I really enjoyed "Benito Cereno". I feel as though I would have gotten frustrated with the book because it is a little slow moving in retrospect had I not already known that it was about a slave rebellion. Since the whole book is entitled "Two Slave Rebellions at Sea" we know, although it wasn't known when "Benito Cereno" was originally published, that a slave rebellion has to happen at some point. It was not long before one could infer that the slave rebellion had already happened.
While some seem to have found Captain Delano to be frustrating I found him quite entertaining. I particularly enjoyed the part when Delano thought that the ship was haunted; the line, “I to be murdered here at the ends of the earth, on board a haunted pirate-ship by a horrible Spaniard. Too nonsensical to think of!” (78), really made me laugh. I thought that Captain Delano was representative of how naïve New Englanders were at the time and still are now. Born and raised in Connecticut, I was very unaware of a lot of the problems that still exist today.
Furthermore, I really enjoyed how both “The Heroic Slave” and “Benito Cereno” were about slave rebellions on ships without narrating the rebellion as it happened. I thought both books provided a very unique perspective on the events and were creative in their delivery. I look forward to reading it again and catching things that I missed the first time around.
Intense.
Ok. First and foremost I want to say that I seriously quite thoroughly enjoyed this story! I think all the characters within it are genius and I feel like the reader can really tell how much time Melville spent in writing this because it is so beautifully crafted. (That said, I actually have no idea how long he took to write it… but I would imagine that he worked pretty hard on it… hopefully.)
But, I figure my gushing about the novel doesn't really give one to respond to so I will blog about Melville's stance on slavery. (I hope I'm not repeating what anyone's already said.) If one is to determine whether or not Herman Melville was pro or anti-slavery just based on this work, I would say that while he is anti-slavery, he is most definitely a racist. Wow!
My case for him not being pro-slavery is well-supported (I think) by the quote on page 84:
"At home, he had often taken rare satisfaction in sitting in his door, watching some free man of color at his work or play… Captain Delano took to negroes, not philanthropically, but genially, just as other men to Newfoundland dogs."
Ok. I think the very last part of that quote probably proves his racism but I have a different quote for that. I don't think that one who enjoys watching a free black man do anything (at the time, obviously) could be considered pro-slavery. I heartily doubt that ANY slave-owner at the time would've enjoyed seeing a free black man.
But, to further prove his racism, I refer to the quote on page 88 in reference to the "mulatto" Francesco:
"For it were strange, indeed, and not very creditable to us white-skins, if a little of our blood mixed with the African's should, far from improving the latter's quality, have the sad effect of pouring vitriolic acid into black broth; improving the hue, perhaps, but not wholesomeness."
I think both of those quotes make the argument for themselves that Herman Melville, while against slavery, was more than likely at least a smidgeon racist.
I'm glad i don't have to be a spoiler!
Delano's inability to see things for what they are is incredibly infuriating. He is kind of like a child in a way-- in that he's taking in all of the information of his surroundings but not knowing how to put them together in a way that makes sense. Or better yet, it's like having a jigsaw that has one piece left and Delano keeps trying to fit it in upside down. He even goes so far as to list everything he finds strange (on the bottom of page 79) about the ship...but manages to shrug it off. One has to really admire that sort of profound density.
I found myself enjoying Babo much more this time around. And, i'm not going to lie, a great deal of that has come from my increasing dislike for Delano... so much so that anyone not him has gone up like 20 points in my book. He (Babo) has a lot going for him. He clearly has far more agency than most other people in the book-- he is not bound by ignorance like Delano, nor is he frail like Benito Cereno. He is organized, manipulative, and cunning; and while at least one of those isn't necessarily an admirable thing, it allows him to have some level of autonomy... so good for Babo.
One of my favorite interactions between any persons on the ship is of that between Delano, the spanish sailor, and one of the slaves. The sailor hands Delano a sort of gordian knot that he's apparently just assembled for someone to untie (a fine reason to do anything). Delano doesn't know what to make of it so he just sort of turns it over in his hands for a few minutes. A slave then reaches over and throws it over the boat. The slave is able to very quickly, and decisively, able to solve the puzzle that delano is overwhelmed by... once again proving that delano suuuuuuucccccks.
Enigmatic
"Poor fellow, thought Captain Delano, so nervous he can't even bear the sight of barber's blood... is it credible that I should have imagined he meant to spill all my blood, who can't endure the sight of one little drop of his own?" (86)
"Why decline the invitation to visit the sealer that evening?... What imported all those day-long enigmas and contradictions, except they were intended to mystify, preliminary to some stealthy blow?" (94)
I believe that this story was written to be purposefully enigmatic, especially regarding Melville's view of slavery (does he condone it? does he condemn it?) , and all of the dichotomy throughout the novella-- such as the antithesis of the colors black, white, and red and Delano's vacillating opinions of his own security-- add to the obscurity of the plot. This novel, like in Pym, also has numerous disparities between appearance and reality, for instance-- the ship looked like it was boarded by monks in the beginning rather than slaves, the skeleton of Don Alexandro on the bow was shrouded to look like it was just in disrepair, and Atufl was disguised as a prisoner when he was really an integral part of the mutiny.